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Is 'no case drain' a good thing?

comparison between case drain and no-case drain rocksaws

One of the features of many rocksaws is "no case drain required". But is that a good thing?

We could ask this question a different way.

question
When using a rocksaw,

would you want your
20 tonne excavator
to perform like a
10 tonne excavator?

Probably NOT!

What is the advantage of 'no case drain'?

Up-Front Cost

What are the disadvantages?

Lower Efficiency with no case drain

Orbital motors (no-case drain required) have fairly limited pressure and flow capabilities. This means that each model has a quite narrow range of excavators for which it suitable, and equally limited range of blade sizes for which it can operate efficiently.

They can be constructed in such a way that allows an internal connection of the case space to the oil return line, but this comes at the cost of significant loss of efficiency compared to other types of motors.

Connecting a case drain to the orbital motors

Less versatile Machine

The low pressure and flow capabilities mean that to get the most out of your 'no-case drain' rocksaw, you need to select a motor size to suit your excavator. On another excavator, it may not work so well. Our standard range of rocksaws (D1S, D2S, D3S and D4S) have many motor sizes available so that we can find the best match with your excavator. Other companies just have a "one size fits all" policy, which doesn't give good results

Low Flow and Pressure Capabilities

This combination of low flow and low pressure is unfortunate.

Diamond cutting requires good tip speed. Speed of the saw (rpm) is directly related to the flow capabilities of the motor. To compensate for low speed, you must put on a bigger blade to get the tip speed high enough for efficient cutting.

To keep the blade spinning, you also require torque to overcome friction, and the torque needed increases with blade size. Limiting pressure means that you are also limiting torque.

Putting these two factors together, the blade range is constrained by both the pressure and flow limitations - and often there is no good blade to suit a given motor.

D6HP rocksaw with case drain line connected

What is the alternative?

We use the "no case drain" motors in our standard models (D1S, D2S, D3S and D4S) as a cheaper alternative for the budget sensitive, but all our high performance (D3HP, D3HS, D4HP, D4HS, D5HP, D6HP) machines always require a case drain.

They are powered by piston motors which have quite a different construction to the orbital motors. They have higher efficiency, and they can operate at higher flows and pressures than the orbital motors, making each of them a much more useful piece of machinery. They can be used on a greater range of excavators without limiting either the pressure or flow, and they are substantially better in performance.

save money

So while "no case drain" is more convenient, and a little cheaper at set up time, you are losing out on productivity in a very significant way.

Productivity equals money.

We compared the performance of our D4S/500 model (the precise equivalent of Groundtech's GTS3/500) with our D4HP/280


Comparison between D4S/500 Rocksaw (no case drain) and D4HP/280 Rocksaw (case drain)

For comparison, we can compare the D4S/500 from our standard range with the D4HP from the High Power range cutting sandstone.

The D4S does not require a case drain line, the D4HP does.

D4S/500D4HP/280
  • is a precise equivalent of Groundtech's GTS3/500
  • does not require a case drain
  • has a 500cc orbital motor
  • It's flow is limited to 200 lpm and pressure to 20 MPa. However, because these two maximum values cannot occur simultaneously, in real world the maximum flow is 175 Lpm and the real pressure is 17.5 MPa
  • the motor functions at an efficiency of 80% at the very best (20% of power is wasted!!)
  • To use it on any excavator, the oil pressure will need to be limited to less than what the excavator can provide, hence reducing available torque.
  • In terms of flow, any excavator above about 15 tonnes will require the flow to be limited, hence reducing the available speed.
  • requires a case drain
  • has 280cc radial piston motor has much higher pressure and flow ratings, and can use the full power available from the excavator's pumps
  • can use maximum torque and maximum speed
  • works well within the operating range of the motor for extended working life

10 tonne excavator - 51kW *

MachineCutting Power
D4S/50057 hp (42.5kW)
D4HP/28068 hp(51kW)

20 tonne excavator - 96kW **

MachineCutting Power
D4S/50057 hp (42.5kW)
D4HP/280130 hp (96kW)

30 tonne excavator - 141kW ***

MachineCutting Power
D4S/500 57 hp (42.5kW)
D4HP/280 190 hp (141kW)

For the calculations, the following parameters have been used for the excavators

*10 tonne : flow 125 l/min, pressure 20MPa, Power 51kW
**20 tonne : flow 215 l/min, pressure 25MPa, Power 96kW
***30 tonne : flow 295 l/min, pressure 25MPa, Power 141kW

Blade Size Comparison

We can also compare the blade size range for the D4S/500 and the D4HP/280

excavator
/tonnes
Blade Diameter
D4S/500D4HP/280
Min.MaxMin.Max
10 - - 14001800
20180020008002000
30180020006002000

The D4S/500, which is exactly the same as, for example Groundtech GTS3, is on the one hand limited to large blades, bacause smaller blades do not have sufficient tip speed to be efficient Read more about tip speed

On the other hand, because the working pressure range is limited to 200 bars, they do not work all that well even with the large blades in comparison with high efficiency piston motors.

This means that for concrete cutting (which usually requires only a shallow cut, i.e. small blades) it is not economical, and it is not at all suited to other applications such as stump grinding and wood cutting.

comparison between case drain and no-case drain rocksaws

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